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#1081 cmon norn iron

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 08:52 PM

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 12:09 PM

Once again the EU makes demands rather than negotiating over the rights of of EU citizens currently living in the UK and UK citizens currently living in EU countries and in which the UK citizens in EU countries would come out worse......no change in attitude there then. And the EU is still demanding an exit financial settlement. Give these bastards fuck all. Walk away from their demands and tell them to come back to the table when they have anything reasonable to debate about. Personally I believe there should be no deal than to succumb to their threats.


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Posted 21 July 2017 - 11:38 PM

Once again the EU makes demands rather than negotiating over the rights of of EU citizens currently living in the UK and UK citizens currently living in EU countries and in which the UK citizens in EU countries would come out worse......no change in attitude there then. And the EU is still demanding an exit financial settlement. Give these bastards fuck all. Walk away from their demands and tell them to come back to the table when they have anything reasonable to debate about. Personally I believe there should be no deal than to succumb to their threats.

 

Maybe someone should present the EU with a bill for saving them from the Nazis.


 

 

 

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 11:33 AM

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 11:53 AM

 

The EU is falling apart and it knows it. Our money will be sorely missed hence why they are demanding an 'exit' payment. GTF!


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 12:03 PM

The EU is falling apart and it knows it. Our money will be sorely missed hence why they are demanding an 'exit' payment. GTF!


Ireland could be crushed by Brexit.....

Europe need to play this wisely.
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 12:12 PM

Ireland could be crushed by Brexit.....

Europe need to play this wisely.

 

In what respect mate ?


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 12:17 PM

Ireland could be crushed by Brexit.....

Europe need to play this wisely.

 

have a wee read at this (not too lengthy).....interesting.

 

https://www.theglobe...rticle34185424/


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 12:38 PM

In what respect mate ?


The UK is it's biggest trading partner.

If, the EU don't come up with a reasonable trade deal between the UK and the EU.

The biggest loser will be the RoI.

That's by my own thinking btw and not based on any figures obtained.....
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 12:52 PM

The UK is it's biggest trading partner.

If, the EU don't come up with a reasonable trade deal between the UK and the EU.

The biggest loser will be the RoI.

That's by my own thinking btw and not based on any figures obtained.....

 

There is a section to do with that in the link. The Irish want to continue to trade with the UK & no doubt many, many other member states also but the EU leadership will not permit individual negotiations re trade. . The less money these countries earn the less the EU will receive from them (it has to get its money from somewhere)....stubborness and arrogance will kill it!


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 01:14 PM

There is a section to do with that in the link. The Irish want to continue to trade with the UK & no doubt many, many other member states also but the EU leadership will not permit individual negotiations re trade. . The less money these countries earn the less the EU will receive from them (it has to get its money from somewhere)....stubborness and arrogance will kill it!

Ireland has very strong US/Canadian ties...... it's a huge market for them to exploit..... as well as historical UK ties and deals.

Imagine not being able to trade freely with London or Belfast from Dublin as Brussels says...... No.
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Posted 26 August 2017 - 09:44 AM

A section re info about the EU's demand for this 'Divorce Bill.....Head shaking stuff...

 

1. Outstanding budget commitments

The EU Budget operates through a multi-annual spending structure, which means projects are paid for over a period of several years. As a result, EU Budget payments are back-loaded and many will be paid out post-Brexit. For example, a key element of EU spending allocations consists of cohesion fund payments, aimed at raising living standards in the 2004 Accession countries. According to the CER, only 25–30% of the biggest cohesion fund payments will actually have been spent by the time Britain is expected to leave the EU in April 2019.

The current EU Budget period runs from 2014–2020, finishing a year after the UK’s exit date. A key point of legal uncertainty is the status of financial commitments scheduled for 2019 and 2020. The UK has indicated that it only expects to fund its budget commitments up until April 2019. However, the Commission's methodology is clear that the UK should meet the full schedule of obligations up until 2020. 

2. EU officials’ pensions

Like the UK civil service pension scheme, the Pension Scheme of European Officials (PESO) is an unfunded scheme and operates on a ‘pay-as-you-go basis’, with costs being covered by the annual EU Budget as they arise. The Commission outlines that the UK should make a payment to cover the costs associated with this scheme, as they appear in the EU's conslidated accounts at the time of the UK's withdrawal. There have been suggestions that the UK could push for this liability to simply cover the costs of UK nationals working for the Commission, lowering the bill due to the under-representation of British officials. The Commission's methodology suggests that the EU would contest such an approach.     

3. Contingent liabilities

The EU incurred contingent liabilities while the UK was a member state. These liabilities effectively constitute payments that would be triggered in specific circumstances only, for example, Ukraine defaulting on its EU loan. When the 2015 EU accounts were drawn up, outstanding loans to Hungary, Ireland, Portugal and Ukraine collectively amounted to €49.5 billion. The EU’s latest approach asks the UK to make a lump-sum payment upfront to cover these liabilities, in case they materialise in the future. This increases the upfront divorce bill by €9–12 billion. However, these upfront liability payments would be reimbursed over the coming years, enabling the UK to recover some of this money.

 

A WTF moment here especially at No. 3..... :o 


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 11:18 AM

A section re info about the EU's demand for this 'Divorce Bill.....Head shaking stuff...

 

1. Outstanding budget commitments

The EU Budget operates through a multi-annual spending structure, which means projects are paid for over a period of several years. As a result, EU Budget payments are back-loaded and many will be paid out post-Brexit. For example, a key element of EU spending allocations consists of cohesion fund payments, aimed at raising living standards in the 2004 Accession countries. According to the CER, only 25–30% of the biggest cohesion fund payments will actually have been spent by the time Britain is expected to leave the EU in April 2019.

The current EU Budget period runs from 2014–2020, finishing a year after the UK’s exit date. A key point of legal uncertainty is the status of financial commitments scheduled for 2019 and 2020. The UK has indicated that it only expects to fund its budget commitments up until April 2019. However, the Commission's methodology is clear that the UK should meet the full schedule of obligations up until 2020. 

2. EU officials’ pensions

Like the UK civil service pension scheme, the Pension Scheme of European Officials (PESO) is an unfunded scheme and operates on a ‘pay-as-you-go basis’, with costs being covered by the annual EU Budget as they arise. The Commission outlines that the UK should make a payment to cover the costs associated with this scheme, as they appear in the EU's conslidated accounts at the time of the UK's withdrawal. There have been suggestions that the UK could push for this liability to simply cover the costs of UK nationals working for the Commission, lowering the bill due to the under-representation of British officials. The Commission's methodology suggests that the EU would contest such an approach.     

3. Contingent liabilities

The EU incurred contingent liabilities while the UK was a member state. These liabilities effectively constitute payments that would be triggered in specific circumstances only, for example, Ukraine defaulting on its EU loan. When the 2015 EU accounts were drawn up, outstanding loans to Hungary, Ireland, Portugal and Ukraine collectively amounted to €49.5 billion. The EU’s latest approach asks the UK to make a lump-sum payment upfront to cover these liabilities, in case they materialise in the future. This increases the upfront divorce bill by €9–12 billion. However, these upfront liability payments would be reimbursed over the coming years, enabling the UK to recover some of this money.

 

A WTF moment here especially at No. 3..... :o 

 

Did someone at sometime forget to read the small print?

 

Or are there some recent inventions which are just thinly disguised extortion or punishment payments?


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 11:37 AM

Did someone at sometime forget to read the small print?

 

Or are there some recent inventions which are just thinly disguised extortion or punishment payments?

 

A section re info about the EU's demand for this 'Divorce Bill.....Head shaking stuff...

 

1. Outstanding budget commitments

The EU Budget operates through a multi-annual spending structure, which means projects are paid for over a period of several years. As a result, EU Budget payments are back-loaded and many will be paid out post-Brexit. For example, a key element of EU spending allocations consists of cohesion fund payments, aimed at raising living standards in the 2004 Accession countries. According to the CER, only 25–30% of the biggest cohesion fund payments will actually have been spent by the time Britain is expected to leave the EU in April 2019.

The current EU Budget period runs from 2014–2020, finishing a year after the UK’s exit date. A key point of legal uncertainty is the status of financial commitments scheduled for 2019 and 2020. The UK has indicated that it only expects to fund its budget commitments up until April 2019. However, the Commission's methodology is clear that the UK should meet the full schedule of obligations up until 2020. 

2. EU officials’ pensions

Like the UK civil service pension scheme, the Pension Scheme of European Officials (PESO) is an unfunded scheme and operates on a ‘pay-as-you-go basis’, with costs being covered by the annual EU Budget as they arise. The Commission outlines that the UK should make a payment to cover the costs associated with this scheme, as they appear in the EU's conslidated accounts at the time of the UK's withdrawal. There have been suggestions that the UK could push for this liability to simply cover the costs of UK nationals working for the Commission, lowering the bill due to the under-representation of British officials. The Commission's methodology suggests that the EU would contest such an approach.     

3. Contingent liabilities

The EU incurred contingent liabilities while the UK was a member state. These liabilities effectively constitute payments that would be triggered in specific circumstances only, for example, Ukraine defaulting on its EU loan. When the 2015 EU accounts were drawn up, outstanding loans to Hungary, Ireland, Portugal and Ukraine collectively amounted to €49.5 billion. The EU’s latest approach asks the UK to make a lump-sum payment upfront to cover these liabilities, in case they materialise in the future. This increases the upfront divorce bill by €9–12 billion. However, these upfront liability payments would be reimbursed over the coming years, enabling the UK to recover some of this money.

 

A WTF moment here especially at No. 3..... :o 

Why did the UK Gov not demand a divorce settlement from the snp, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc.



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Posted 26 August 2017 - 11:54 AM

Did someone at sometime forget to read the small print?

 

Or are there some recent inventions which are just thinly disguised extortion or punishment payments?

 

I'm plumping for the 2nd option. Considering that our gross contribution for 2016/17 was £16.9 billion with a rebate of £4.8 bill and money spent by the EU on British interests of £4.1 billion meaning our net contribution was £8 billion.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 11:57 AM

Why did the UK Gov not demand a divorce settlement from the snp, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc.

 

possibly they have nobody in government as oily and slimey as Barnier & Juncker or that they know it's basically theft by the front door.


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 09:19 PM

Why did the UK Gov not demand a divorce settlement from the snp, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc.

 

As part of the negotiations Scotland is expected to take its population share of debt if it gains independence. The brexit divorce settlement is the exact same.



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 10:22 PM

possibly they have nobody in government as oily and slimey as Barnier & Juncker or that they know it's basically theft by the front door.

 

Oily and slimy are prerequisites for all politicians.


 

 

 

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 07:35 AM

As part of the negotiations Scotland is expected to take its population share of debt if it gains independence. The brexit divorce settlement is the exact same.

you really do have a problem with the English language.



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 08:40 AM

Debt owed by the UK to a corrupt institution ?.......a more realistic views regards these shysters Barnier & Juncker who are simply chancing their arm. Not one penny!

 

http://www.dailymail...-owes-58bn.html


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