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[Psychoheart]

http://news.bbc.co.u...nd/16278305.stm

Saw this last night, and since it affects the SFL more than the SPL it probably belongs in here.

I like most of these points. More up and down to and from the SPL has to be good as one-up-one-down seems to be a bit stale. Same format as the existing playoffs in the SFL so it's tried and tested. I prefer the English setup personally, but I think our leagues are just a bit too small to get away with that one.

The pyramid system is the bit that interests me. For too long the SFL has been a closed group, only admitting teams when they see fit through reconstruction - or an existing member goes bust. Again, it comes down to freshening things up where it's needed.

The only thing I don't like is the stupid idea of renaming the first division to the Scottish Championship! Do we need to copy England on everything? I hate their naming concept. How can you be the third tier and called "League One"?!

[HulltoonClock]

So instead of a 12 team SPL and 10 team div 1 we will have a 10 team SPL and 12 team div 1. What a load of cobblers, the Chairmen are in denial, 88% of fans don't want a 10 team SPL, that was thrown in the dustbin years ago so why do half a dozen charimen want 10 teams again ? Let the fans decide, a top league of 14, 16, 19 or 20 so no more monotiny of playing the same team four times in the league.

[pandamonk]

HulltoonClock, on 25 December 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:

So instead of a 12 team SPL and 10 team div 1 we will have a 10 team SPL and 12 team div 1. What a load of cobblers, the Chairmen are in denial, 88% of fans don't want a 10 team SPL, that was thrown in the dustbin years ago so why do half a dozen charimen want 10 teams again ? Let the fans decide, a top league of 14, 16, 19 or 20 so no more monotiny of playing the same team four times in the league.

Teams are struggling for money as it is, with more top league teams there will be far less money to share which will be far more detrimental to the quality on the park than playing the same teams 4 times per season.

[jaybee1978]

pandamonk, on 25 December 2011 - 08:32 PM, said:

Teams are struggling for money as it is, with more top league teams there will be far less money to share which will be far more detrimental to the quality on the park than playing the same teams 4 times per season.

Money is not everything though.

[black dog]

jaybee1978, on 26 December 2011 - 04:01 PM, said:

Money is not everything though.

Unfortunately Jay it IS mate!....not to the punters but to the clubs in the SPL.

[jaybee1978]

black dog, on 26 December 2011 - 04:09 PM, said:

Unfortunately Jay it IS mate!....not to the punters but to the clubs in the SPL.

Clubs need to try and get back to basics I think and rely more on youth. It's the way forward for our game.

[pandamonk]

jaybee1978, on 26 December 2011 - 09:28 PM, said:

Clubs need to try and get back to basics I think and rely more on youth. It's the way forward for our game.

Without money, clubs will go bust (not just because of expensive players) so regardless of bringing through youth or anything, clubs need money.

[hayza]

pandamonk, on 28 December 2011 - 05:06 PM, said:

Without money, clubs will go bust (not just because of expensive players) so regardless of bringing through youth or anything, clubs need money.

Your grasp of economics is breathtaking if clubs live within their means and pay their taxes no problemo its when shysters,spivs and hurricanes takeover clubs problems exist ffs most clubs have made it through 2 world wars so a bit of prudence and we should all be ok apart.............

[jaybee1978]

pandamonk, on 28 December 2011 - 05:06 PM, said:

Without money, clubs will go bust (not just because of expensive players) so regardless of bringing through youth or anything, clubs need money.

Clubs would just have to spend their budget more wisely.

[jagdog]

There is no point in anyone suggesting any reform of Scottish football until the voting system of the SPL is reformed. The 11 to 1 vote (or old firm veto as it really should be called) will prevent any change.

Any proposal that will harm the earning potential (i.e. a fairer sharing of TV revenue) will be vetoed by the OF.

Any proposal that threatens the SPL status of clubs afraid of relegation (i.e. play off's or more relegation) will be vetoed by the turkeys who won't vote for Christmas.

Until the SPL voting structure is changed, all and any wonderful new structures can be debated to death - but there will be no change.

It's a waste of time.

[craig]

jagdog, on 29 December 2011 - 08:48 PM, said:

There is no point in anyone suggesting any reform of Scottish football until the voting system of the SPL is reformed. The 11 to 1 vote (or old firm veto as it really should be called) will prevent any change.

Any proposal that will harm the earning potential (i.e. a fairer sharing of TV revenue) will be vetoed by the OF.

Any proposal that threatens the SPL status of clubs afraid of relegation (i.e. play off's or more relegation) will be vetoed by the turkeys who won't vote for Christmas.

Until the SPL voting structure is changed, all and any wonderful new structures can be debated to death - but there will be no change.

It's a waste of time.

good points and welcome to the forum

[jaybee1978]

jagdog, on 29 December 2011 - 08:48 PM, said:

There is no point in anyone suggesting any reform of Scottish football until the voting system of the SPL is reformed. The 11 to 1 vote (or old firm veto as it really should be called) will prevent any change.

Any proposal that will harm the earning potential (i.e. a fairer sharing of TV revenue) will be vetoed by the OF.

Any proposal that threatens the SPL status of clubs afraid of relegation (i.e. play off's or more relegation) will be vetoed by the turkeys who won't vote for Christmas.

Until the SPL voting structure is changed, all and any wonderful new structures can be debated to death - but there will be no change.

It's a waste of time.

Welcome to the forum from me too.

[sheeptastic]

jagdog, on 29 December 2011 - 08:48 PM, said:

There is no point in anyone suggesting any reform of Scottish football until the voting system of the SPL is reformed. The 11 to 1 vote (or old firm veto as it really should be called) will prevent any change.

Any proposal that will harm the earning potential (i.e. a fairer sharing of TV revenue) will be vetoed by the OF.

Any proposal that threatens the SPL status of clubs afraid of relegation (i.e. play off's or more relegation) will be vetoed by the turkeys who won't vote for Christmas.

Until the SPL voting structure is changed, all and any wonderful new structures can be debated to death - but there will be no change.

It's a waste of time.

good points there jagdog and unfortunately a depressing factual account of how it is at the moment, welcome to the forum, hope you stick around, there is good banter to be found here

Also remember there is a thread for newcomers to tell us a little more about themselves and ask any questions about the forum, cheers

[HulltoonClock]

The 11-1 voting system is a farce, if Rangers,Celtic,Aberdeen, Hearts,Hibs,Killie,Motherwell etc etc say yes, and Inverness and St.Johnstone say no are we expected to believe those two clubs would have their way. What a load of nonsense, a majority vote should be enough, 7 or over gets the job done. What is wrong with democracy ?

[sheeptastic]

HulltoonClock, on 30 December 2011 - 05:49 PM, said:

The 11-1 voting system is a farce, if Rangers,Celtic,Aberdeen, Hearts,Hibs,Killie,Motherwell etc etc say yes, and Inverness and St.Johnstone say no are we expected to believe those two clubs would have their way. What a load of nonsense, a majority vote should be enough, 7 or over gets the job done. What is wrong with democracy ?

I may be wrong but was it not changed to a 10-2 majority as in the past the OF voted together and several years ago all the other spl teams temporarily signalled their intent to leave the spl and create their own league

[HulltoonClock]

Even 10-2 is ludicrous, so if 9 say yes and 3 say no then the no's win, is that how it works ?

[Psychoheart]

Highland league have rejected it.

http://sport.stv.tv/...ange-proposals/

More because they don't want the "super league" idea rather than the pyramid structure as a concept, but still a blow.

[jaybee1978]

Psychoheart, on 11 January 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

Highland league have rejected it.

http://sport.stv.tv/...ange-proposals/

More because they don't want the "super league" idea rather than the pyramid structure as a concept, but still a blow.

There is no real incentive for non league clubs to join a system like this as they would end up probably losing a lot of local derbies. The Junior teams probably make better money due to crowds being decent due to not having to travel far.

[Psychoheart]

I'll be interested to see what the Highland League's revised proposal is. They seem to suggest they're all for the pyramid system, but they want it on their own terms.

I think regionalising the lower leagues should be encouraged too. As you've suggested, if they don't have to travel far the crowds might be better.

[jaybee1978]

Psychoheart, on 11 January 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

I'll be interested to see what the Highland League's revised proposal is. They seem to suggest they're all for the pyramid system, but they want it on their own terms.

I think regionalising the lower leagues should be encouraged too. As you've suggested, if they don't have to travel far the crowds might be better.

I think apart from SPL that a regional system would work out far better. There could then be playoffs to see who gets promoted.