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[Perry Pie]

The duopoly in Scottish football has not helped the OF over the long term. Without testing competition the teams and the management of the OF clubs have been able to be lazy and self indulgent over the years. (That leads to the periodic money problems they both get into from time to time).
The SPL AND the OF need to make sure there is better competition. Maybe they should introduce salary limits of the playing squads? Maybe a more league oriented split of the money that comes in, maybe restructure of the competition (I hate the end of season splt).
Rangers will survive, the OF will roll on, but the game will continue to stagnate and suffer for as long the current idiotic two team system goes on. Time for the authorities in charge of the game to have some vision and look at what should be, not just repeat the past.

[hoopz]

Perry Pie, on 22 February 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

The duopoly in Scottish football has not helped the OF over the long term. Without testing competition the teams and the management of the OF clubs have been able to be lazy and self indulgent over the years. (That leads to the periodic money problems they both get into from time to time).
The SPL AND the OF need to make sure there is better competition. Maybe they should introduce salary limits of the playing squads? Maybe a more league oriented split of the money that comes in, maybe restructure of the competition (I hate the end of season splt).
Rangers will survive, the OF will roll on, but the game will continue to stagnate and suffer for as long the current idiotic two team system goes on. Time for the authorities in charge of the game to have some vision and look at what should be, not just repeat the past.

welcome to forum

[jaybee1978]

CHURCHILL, on 22 February 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

I`m calm - look how calm I am. I don`t intend getting into a slanging match or an Oscar Wilde quoting contest. You`re right and I`m wrong and I now understand the brevity of the "wit" expressed in your postings.

Welcome to the forum. I don't think I've said hi yet so hi.

[jaybee1978]

Perry Pie, on 22 February 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

The duopoly in Scottish football has not helped the OF over the long term. Without testing competition the teams and the management of the OF clubs have been able to be lazy and self indulgent over the years. (That leads to the periodic money problems they both get into from time to time).
The SPL AND the OF need to make sure there is better competition. Maybe they should introduce salary limits of the playing squads? Maybe a more league oriented split of the money that comes in, maybe restructure of the competition (I hate the end of season splt).
Rangers will survive, the OF will roll on, but the game will continue to stagnate and suffer for as long the current idiotic two team system goes on. Time for the authorities in charge of the game to have some vision and look at what should be, not just repeat the past.

Welcome to the forum. Who is it that you support?

[Perry Pie]

jaybee1978, on 22 February 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Welcome to the forum. Who is it that you support?

Thanks to everyone for the welcomes. St. Mirren.

[jaybee1978]

Perry Pie, on 22 February 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Thanks to everyone for the welcomes. St. Mirren.

Superb. I'm not sure if there are any other St Mirren fans who are members on here.

If you check the off topic section then there is a thread where you can introduce yourself properly.

[FrugalNory]

No problem Robert, we can't all agree and my opinions are very rarely shared by OF fans, especially the chaps that hang about those boards. I love those posts that go on about Celtic being unaffected if the OF came to an end. And I love the passionate defence of them. But it's total hogwash, if Rangers go so does one of Celtics main income streams. From advertising, sponsorship to the guarenteed income from 4 OF games the good ship Parkhead will be on rocky seas.

Without Rangers there is zero global interest in Celtic long term. How often do you think Parkhead will be full without the Blue half of Ibrox providing some proper competition? How many seats get filled just now when it isn't a big game that means something? How long will the luxury of steamrolling every other SPL team last? I think deep down even celtic fans know the implications of a world without Rangers and as I suggest in my original post downsizing will be necessary (at the very least).

I'll concede you can't blame Rangers for other teams uber expenditure. However I stand by my point about Rangers spending a shit ton of money they couldn't afford to win multiple titles as ruining Scottish football. Surely even the most blinkered of OF fans can see where I'm coming form with that point of view? It's not rocket science and I'm 99% most supporters outside the fugly sisters would agree.

Hard to Argue with the claim that my post is "belter" from a Rangers fans point of view. Doesn't make it wrong though, just a different perspective. And the fact is the SPL has been wonderful for the big spending OF clubs and their fans. It's been a bit shit for everyone else though Sheeny so try and not be to aghast in abject horror when I say something that doesn't toe the OF party line.

Edited by FrugalNory, 23 February 2012 - 08:19 AM.

[FrugalNory]

Perry Pie, on 22 February 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

Rangers will survive, the OF will roll on, but the game will continue to stagnate and suffer for as long the current idiotic two team system goes on. Time for the authorities in charge of the game to have some vision and look at what should be, not just repeat the past.

Never a truer word spoken.

[craig]

verrix, on 21 February 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

i'm sure i've read this in a few places around the forum: the tax evasion methods used by Rangers have only very recently been made illegal. therefore, they will have few (if any) titles taken from them

They stopped using them in 2008 and the law was changed after that, or so I have heard

[SheenyBob]

Rangers are not guilty of tax evasion, have not commited an illegal act and therefore will never be stripped of anything.

[jaybee1978]

Would fans of either half of the old firm not prefer a more competitive league? It would benefit the game in Scotland I think. It's not good that either half of the old firm win the majority of major trophies available.

[hayza]

8,000 at Motherwell last night makes you think eh.

[SheenyBob]

jaybee1978, on 23 February 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

Would fans of either half of the old firm not prefer a more competitive league? It would benefit the game in Scotland I think. It's not good that either half of the old firm win the majority of major trophies available.

Im sure all fans of either half of the OF would like a stronger more competitive league.....the problem lies in the fact that the OF bring in most of the cash ie tv deals, league sponsorship and contribute more to the attendance generated cash than any other teams..............what are they to do...take an equal share when clearly the playing field is not equal at all ?.........

[craig]

Perry Pie, on 22 February 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Thanks to everyone for the welcomes. St. Mirren.

welcome to the forum

If you ever need any assistance, just ask

[jaybee1978]

SheenyBob, on 23 February 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

Im sure all fans of either half of the OF would like a stronger more competitive league.....the problem lies in the fact that the OF bring in most of the cash ie tv deals, league sponsorship and contribute more to the attendance generated cash than any other teams..............what are they to do...take an equal share when clearly the playing field is not equal at all ?.........

It's fair enough about attendances. That can't be helped.

I do think though that tv money and sponsorship money should be split equally. I know that there is the argument that old firm are shown more as they attract bigger audiences. There needs to be more down in terms of showing games involving other teams more often.

At least give the other ten teams a fighting chance of being able to compete.

[Loyal Whytee]

The SPL without Rangers would be better. More competition between the rest of the teams for second place. SPL attendances may start rising as other teams compete for a Euro place.

As part of liquidation Ibrox, Murray Park and all other assets must be sold to repay what Rangers owe to Scottish clubs, Ticketus, Close Leasing, HMRC, Rangers employees and no doubt the scores of others the administrators are about to uncover. I sincerely hope that Craig Whyte does not benefit from liquidation. Those who knowingly participated in fraudulent activities should face legal action.

It should not be made easy for Rangers to return as a new team. They should start again with nothing.

Questions must be asked of the previous Rangers board and their integrity. On a secondary level questions must be asked of the SFA and Scottish print journalism. The supporters must question themselves for following these people with such blind faith.

For me its difficult to feel empathy towards Rangers as an institution. I know that I would be devastated if this happened to the team I support and for that reason I hope that they come through the administration intact. I don't want to see anyone at Rangers lose their job.

That aside it will be of no great consequence to me if Rangers lose their history. The bigoted songs, the flags, the behaviour of sections of the support, the old signing policy but especially the minority extremists who directed a terror campaign against Neil Lennon.

[jaybee1978]

Loyal Whytee, on 23 February 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

The SPL without Rangers would be better. More competition between the rest of the teams for second place. SPL attendances may start rising as other teams compete for a Euro place.

As part of liquidation Ibrox, Murray Park and all other assets must be sold to repay what Rangers owe to Scottish clubs, Ticketus, Close Leasing, HMRC, Rangers employees and no doubt the scores of others the administrators are about to uncover. I sincerely hope that Craig Whyte does not benefit from liquidation. Those who knowingly participated in fraudulent activities should face legal action.

It should not be made easy for Rangers to return as a new team. They should start again with nothing.

Questions must be asked of the previous Rangers board and their integrity. On a secondary level questions must be asked of the SFA and Scottish print journalism. The supporters must question themselves for following these people with such blind faith.

For me its difficult to feel empathy towards Rangers as an institution. I know that I would be devastated if this happened to the team I support and for that reason I hope that they come through the administration intact. I don't want to see anyone at Rangers lose their job.

That aside it will be of no great consequence to me if Rangers lose their history. The bigoted songs, the flags, the behaviour of sections of the support, the old signing policy but especially the minority extremists who directed a terror campaign against Neil Lennon.

Welcome to the forum. Be sure to introduce yourself in the off topic section as there is a thread for new members.

[sheeptastic]

Loyal Whytee, on 23 February 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

The SPL without Rangers would be better. More competition between the rest of the teams for second place. SPL attendances may start rising as other teams compete for a Euro place.

As part of liquidation Ibrox, Murray Park and all other assets must be sold to repay what Rangers owe to Scottish clubs, Ticketus, Close Leasing, HMRC, Rangers employees and no doubt the scores of others the administrators are about to uncover. I sincerely hope that Craig Whyte does not benefit from liquidation. Those who knowingly participated in fraudulent activities should face legal action.

It should not be made easy for Rangers to return as a new team. They should start again with nothing.

Questions must be asked of the previous Rangers board and their integrity. On a secondary level questions must be asked of the SFA and Scottish print journalism. The supporters must question themselves for following these people with such blind faith.

For me its difficult to feel empathy towards Rangers as an institution. I know that I would be devastated if this happened to the team I support and for that reason I hope that they come through the administration intact. I don't want to see anyone at Rangers lose their job.

That aside it will be of no great consequence to me if Rangers lose their history. The bigoted songs, the flags, the behaviour of sections of the support, the old signing policy but especially the minority extremists who directed a terror campaign against Neil Lennon.

Firstly welcome to the forum

Difficult to know where to start on this one as there is a lot there, I agree that many fans will lose no sleep if Rangers do liquidate, I also agree they should start over at the bottom if this does happen. I am also a big advocate of clubs paying their debts and not hiding between administration and avoiding at least part of their responsibilities, and that goes for ANY football club. As I understand it Rnagers are in administration due to the recent mismanagement of the club, the HMRC tax case is one we will have to wait for the outcome for (and oh how we have waited...and waited....and waited) now it seems it might not be April until that is decided, not satisfactory for anyone.

Clubs going into administration for me highlight a deeper issue of why banks shield them for so long when their debts do often seem unmanageable, I refer mostly to teams that have gone into administration previously such as Motherwell and Dundee, Rangers should realistically not have gone into administration yet as their debts are (or should be) manageable, and I include my own team Aberdeen in this as well, for although they have cut their cloth financially long before many other spl teams did their debt is very high and not showing much sign of getting substantially lower.

As you have acknowledged the majority of Rangers fans must be sympathised with as they are suffering now watching their team be dragged through the gutter and through no fault of their own, however many of these fans were more than happy to sing from the rafters their past achievements built on the back of financial mismanagement and dare I say it at times financial skullduggery so I am sure the fair minded ones won't be too surprised and may even understand if we non Rangers fans enjoy or even revell in their fall from grace.

Yes on some levels the press should be questioned for their stance on Rangers pre admministration, however lets be honest, many OF fans are very touch sensitive, ie esch thinking that the Daily Record is biased about them, and look at what happened to the BBC when they dared to do a documentary on Craig Whyte, the saying do not bite the hand that feeds you may well be relevent here

Lastly, while I have already said that no team should be defined by their minority of numpties, Rangers must surely acknowledge that at times it has profited on bigotry, look back on some of their previous away shirts and you will see two rip off Englalnd tops from the past and an orange top, all good sellers, and that is just an example, yes they have made great strides in trying to eradicate bigotry, as has Celtic, but they could do so much more if they wanted, and this they should address, if you look at away supports for example, it does no-one any favours to claim that bigotry songs are sung by the minority, when clearly it is a lot more than that, and yes before anyone says all SPL clubs could do a lot more to curb their numpty fans excesses, this is not just all down to bigotry, lets all be honest and open and then maybe we will have a better product (ie Scottish football)

[JHR]

jaybee1978, on 22 February 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Superb. I'm not sure if there are any other St Mirren fans who are members on here.

If you check the off topic section then there is a thread where you can introduce yourself properly.

Think he will be celebrating a win on Saturday ?

[hoopz]

gordon smith and ali russell to leave rangers next week according to sky sports.