29 replies to this topic

[johnarob]

After being accused of putting my dislike for rangers over the love of my country i thought it might be interesting to hear if anyone else had views.

My reasoning on the other thread had nothing to do with dislike for rangers, despite the accusation, and all to do with my own opinion on the possibilty/hypothesis etc.

so for the record my stance is that no public funding should be used to bail out rangers or any club/company should they find themselves needy....unless it is a public sector company managed and ran by government bodies that would have genuine impact on the country.

Edited by johnarob, 17 February 2012 - 09:32 PM.

[?apester]

Totally agree .No public money should be used to bail out private companies . Football clubs banks whatever .

But if the present government in holyrood did do such a thing would that change my views on an independent Scotland ? .NO . Independence takes precedence over everything else and if your views on it can be changed 100% over such trivialities as bailing out a comoany thats in trouble then you maybe want to sit down and think about how you really feel about your country .

That is you in general and not anybody specifically .

[hoopz]

the gov arent allowed to, its illegal, FIFA would step in.

[craig]

Did we bail out banks to the tune of billions? They maybe did not evade taxes, but Rbs were reckless as they chased the shiny pennies. I didn't have a problem with that, if we did it with a view to tightening the company and aiming to making a profit at the end of the day.

To put things very simplistically, wouldn't it be good if we did purchase the club and made a profit? Wouldn't we all want that if it was possible?

A tradional profit might be unlikely(without scaling back the club), but on a larger scale, the country may benefit financially by having a rangers, rather than not having a rangers, even when including the money to bail them out. That could still be called a profit.

This isn't just a company name on a bit of paper, this is a football club and one of the two biggest in the country, also one of the biggest in the uk. Everything that that brings means we cannot look at this as a financial deal and need to look at the fairness of helping a sports team.

I personally dont think we should pander to the bigotted individuals who wouldn't want to help out "them", simply because they want an easy run for their own team, but we should avoid this scenario because it's a sports team and doing so would severly devalue our national game. Some see that buying the league devalues the success, but what about a government buying it for them?

I haven't even touched on the implications of helpin out a company where individuals have allegedly acted illegally and I have still come to the conclusion that it's a no from me.

[craig]

hoopz, on 17 February 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

the gov arent allowed to, its illegal, FIFA would step in.

I know they are not allowed to interfere with the countries fa, but does that stretch to individual clubs? How does that fit in with salmond and his sectarian crusade against rangers and Celtic?

[hoopz]

craig, on 17 February 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

I know they are not allowed to interfere with the countries fa, but does that stretch to individual clubs? How does that fit in with salmond and his sectarian crusade against rangers and Celtic?

dunno, but they cant help financially , salmond needs a toe in the balls, if we got independance, he would royally fuck this country worse than it already is.

id rather be part of the uk until someone with half a brain was in charge of scotland.

SHEEPY FOR FM

[johnarob]

?apester, on 17 February 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

Totally agree .No public money should be used to bail out private companies . Football clubs banks whatever .

But if the present government in holyrood did do such a thing would that change my views on an independent Scotland ? .NO . Independence takes precedence over everything else and if your views on it can be changed 100% over such trivialities as bailing out a comoany thats in trouble then you maybe want to sit down and think about how you really feel about your country .

That is you in general and not anybody specifically .

off topic.....get a life ?ape...

[?apester]

johnarob, on 17 February 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

off topic.....get a life ?ape...

Another post of yours you should mibbe read again .Didnt you mention love of your country ? . FREEDOM !

[JHR]

No of course Rangers should not or will not be given financial assistance from public funds.
The RBS & HBOS bailouts were totally different & necessary as without taxpayers money being poured in both would have gone to the wall resulting in millions of small investors and savers losing everything. It was painful enough with the share price of both companies crashing resulting in a high number of individuals losing substancial sums.

What seriously irks me is the continual scenario where tenders for major projects are accepted then half way through the costs double or more. eg Edinburgh trams, Holyrood Parliment building, etc. The taxpayer has to stump up without redress.

[SheenyBob]

depends on whether its in the public interest to bail out companies.......assurances must be given on payback though.

[Bundy]

hoopz, on 17 February 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

dunno, but they cant help financially , salmond needs a toe in the balls, if we got independance, he would royally fuck this country worse than it already is.

id rather be part of the uk until someone with half a brain was in charge of scotland.

SHEEPY FOR FM

God help us

[johnarob]

?apester, on 17 February 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Another post of yours you should mibbe read again .Didnt you mention love of your country ? . FREEDOM !

what is your problem?

because i'd rather, in the hypothetical event of rangers facing possible millions of debt to hmrc, see my country ensure that they millions are spend on education/health/etc etc rather than bail out a company that led themselves down their own path of destruction then that makes me what?

[hoopz]

Bundy, on 17 February 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

God help us

sheepy would fix all our probs! sheepy can cure anything

[?apester]

johnarob, on 17 February 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

what is your problem?

because i'd rather, in the hypothetical event of rangers facing possible millions of debt to hmrc, see my country ensure that they millions are spend on education/health/etc etc rather than bail out a company that led themselves down their own path of destruction then that makes me what?

That makes you sensible .

The fact that yould be willing to change your mind about what i would assume were well thought out and long held ideals because of triviialities that mean very little to those ideals would make you .......what ?

Edited by ?apester, 17 February 2012 - 07:37 PM.

[douglasta]

"If everyone is thinking alike then somebody isn't thinking". - Gen. George S. Patton

[Bundy]

hoopz, on 17 February 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

sheepy would fix all our probs! sheepy can cure anything

Shame he cannae cure his depression, or his hatred for Man United.....greetin faced bassa

[johnarob]

?apester, on 17 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

That makes you sensible .

The fact that yould be willing to change your mind about what i would assume were well thought out and long held ideals because of triviialities that mean very little to those ideals would make you .......what ?

ermmm, does that not say something?...think someone would be selling me short if my ideals were compromised for the sake of a football team....so i guess, then, that would make me feel betrayed hence my reasoning.

[Geordieghirl88]

Why can I not vote its not letting me.

[johnarob]

Geordieghirl88, on 17 February 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

Why can I not vote its not letting me.

had a look to see if anything wrong GG, looks ok though....i've edited it without doing anything and re-submitted...might work now

[Geordieghirl88]

johnarob, on 17 February 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

had a look to see if anything wrong GG, looks ok though....i've edited it without doing anything and re-submitted...might work now

Ok will try again aww now everyone will know what i've voted.