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[hayza]

[Barbarossa]

Guy on the radio had Jabba at a loss for words tonight about R*ngers having players improperly signed & asking why some SFA hierarchy men turned a blind eye to this ....the plot thickens ...and I'm loving it

[Psychoheart]

The sound file for that is here - http://www.mixcloud....paign=cloudcast - if anyone is interested.

[SheenyBob]

Mischief making at best and fucking twisted at worst

[Psychoheart]

The Sun are running this story on the EBTs

http://www.thescotti...l#ixzz1nRTwLghg

[SheenyBob]

Another non story. Is this anything new?

So the story is old hat and based on individual opinion

[Billy Bhoy]

SheenyBob, on 26 February 2012 - 12:43 AM, said:

Another non story. Is this anything new?

So the story is old hat and based on individual opinion

If true it kind of blows holes in the Scotland on Sundays story last week where a 'key witness' for Rangers was saying they didn't exist and therefore Rangers had a good chance of winning the big tax case.

[Psychoheart]

It's new for the mainstream to be publishing it. It's not new if you've been following the mischief making bloggers.

[Billy Bhoy]

Psychoheart, on 26 February 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

It's new for the mainstream to be publishing it. It's not new if you've been following the mischief making bloggers.

I'm pretty sure the two contracts story was first broke by Darrell King was it not? I don't think even the internet bampots had wind of them until he said he'd seen them on super score board (then said he hadn't but thought there probably were some). Could be wrong though.

Edited by Billy Bhoy, 26 February 2012 - 01:49 AM.

[Psychoheart]

Billy Bhoy, on 26 February 2012 - 01:48 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure the two contracts story was first broke by Darrell King was it not? I don't think even the internet bampots had wind of them until he said he'd seen them on super score board (then said he hadn't but thought there probably were some). Could be wrong though.

Celtic Underground had an article on it from 2010. Darrell King may have mentioned it, but either he hasn't realised what he's got or he's decided to try and keep it quiet and slipped up on the phone ins. I'm not aware of hm having broken any story in his newspaper, a fact I would be booting his arse for if I were his editor now.

[Billy Bhoy]

Psychoheart, on 26 February 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

Celtic Underground had an article on it from 2010. Darrell King may have mentioned it, but either he hasn't realised what he's got or he's decided to try and keep it quiet and slipped up on the phone ins. I'm not aware of hm having broken any story in his newspaper, a fact I would be booting his arse for if I were his editor now.

Fair enough I didn't know they had mentioned it first. Darrell King mentioned it on the phone in sometime around Autumn last year but then became pretty sheepish about it afterwards, saying he "believed" he'd seen them whereas he'd initially said he'd seen them. I don't know if it would have gave away his source or whatever if he'd stuck to his guns. He has seemed to be the best informed of the mainstream journalists on the tax case so (being kind to him) maybe he just didn't want to lose out on more info.

[Grumpy Old Man]

STV are reporting that The SFA may investigate the claims regarding the two contracts claim.

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http://sport.stv.tv/...ntracts-claims/

The Scottish Football Association may investigate claims a number of Rangers players had more than one contract during the club’s use of Employee Benefit Trusts.

A report in Sunday’s Scottish Sun appeared to show a draft letter to an anonymous former player, which stated significant money for playing activities would be paid via a “remuneration trust”.

STV understands that if conclusive evidence can be produced, the Scottish FA could launch a wider investigation into the conduct of the club and whether there were breaches of their registration procedures.

If any investigation was to conclude Rangers had breached the rules, the Scottish FA’s current articles of association allow for any punishment as the judicial panel “may think proper” to be imposed.

Rules which have been in force since at least 2005 state clubs must record all payments being made to players for “playing activities” must be “clearly recorded” on contracts.

The Scottish FA, as part of the process of registering a player, must be sent a copy of a player’s contract, together with a registration form.

Rule four of the registration procedures, which covers the agreement between a club and a player, also states: “no payments for his playing activities may be made to a player via a third party.”

If the use of multiple contracts can be proven, Rangers may also have breached the second part of the rule through their use of EBTs from 2001 to 2010.

Rule 2.2.1 of the procedures states: “Unless lodged in accordance with Procedures Rule 2.13, a non-recreational contract player registration form will not be valid unless it is accompanied by the contract entered into between the club concerned and the player stating all the terms and conditions in conformity with Procedures Rule 4.”

The regulations of the Scottish Premier League also require for “contracts of service and all other agreements providing for payment” to be lodged, in order for a player to be eligible to play in league games.

An independent investigation, chaired by Lord Nimmo Smith, is currently underway into the directorship of Craig Whyte at the club and whether the owner is a fit and proper person to hold a position in football.

The panel, which also includes Professor Niall Lothian OBE, Bob Downes, former Director with the BT Group, and current Scottish FA chief executive Stewart Regan, is expected to deliver its recommendations to the governing body’s board by the end of next week.

[Billy Bhoy]

Grumpy Old Man, on 28 February 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

STV are reporting that The SFA may investigate the claims regarding the two contracts claim.

Good to see but a bit worrying there are no direct quotes from the SFA in that story.

There's also the question of whether the SFA are fit to lead the investigation when some of them may have been involved (e.g. Ogilvie) and though they might not be personally involved I would still prefer if a completely independent body looked at it. Justice must not only be done it must be seen to be done and all that. A step in the right direction in that they at least recognise the issue all the same.

[idontbelieveit]

Billy Bhoy, on 28 February 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

Good to see but a bit worrying there are no direct quotes from the SFA in that story.

There's also the question of whether the SFA are fit to lead the investigation when some of them may have been involved (e.g. Ogilvie) and though they might not be personally involved I would still prefer if a completely independent body looked at it. Justice must not only be done it must be seen to be done and all that. A step in the right direction in that they at least recognise the issue all the same.

Your right. If the Masons get involved nobody will be any the wiser.

[Billy Bhoy]

idontbelieveit, on 28 February 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

Your right. If the Masons get involved nobody will be any the wiser.

Actually, on reflection it's a great idea to have the same people involved in a crime investigating it. The best justice systems in the world have always worked that way. Am I not right in saying it was the rest of the great train robbers who lead the hunt for Ronnie Biggs? Buster Edwars was the judge at his trial was he not?

Must have been my paranoia gene clouding my thinking earlier.

[johnarob]

If any investigation was to conclude Rangers had breached the rules, the Scottish FA’s current articles of association allow for any punishment as the judicial panel “may think proper” to be imposed.


what the feck does that mean?

[hayza]

It means a Embra jury I fear.

[idontbelieveit]

Billy Bhoy, on 28 February 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Actually, on reflection it's a great idea to have the same people involved in a crime investigating it. The best justice systems in the world have always worked that way. Am I not right in saying it was the rest of the great train robbers who lead the hunt for Ronnie Biggs? Buster Edwars was the judge at his trial was he not?

Must have been my paranoia gene clouding my thinking earlier.

No thats a Court Marshall your thinking of. Lack of education is an extraordinary handicap you are being offensive.

[Billy Bhoy]

idontbelieveit, on 28 February 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Lack of education is an extraordinary handicap you are being offensive.

It can also be a bit of a handicap to constructing a coherent sentence and not skipping punctuation or the odd word or two. I think you should be more worried about that aspect of it judging from your post.

[idontbelieveit]

Billy Bhoy, on 28 February 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

It can also be a bit of a handicap to constructing a coherent sentence and not skipping punctuation or the odd word or two. I think you should be more worried about that aspect of it judging from your post.

Sorry, I did not realise this was a school lesson forum. You got the message and you came off second best. You should be used to that by now. I'm sure you're not a complete idiot. Some parts are sure to be missing.